Isn't 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth' in ruling controlled places central to Abramamic faiths? When an neighbor controls funding of a place's leadership and controls all border crossing, doesn't that neighbor control that place? With estimates of a kill ratio of ~180,000:1,400, Israelis have demonstrably left the Abrahamic traditions, as did early USA founders such as Turner, in leading massacre-ing the inhabitants of what was later named Turners Falls, in Montague, Massachusetts, USA. These are very old hypocracies shaping our world despite our efforts to extend civility - Very old patterns of inter-group relations, now with industrial weaponry. 61% of USAers, despite the pseudocultures media barrage, still oppose further USA arming of Israel.
When in human history have such dynamics been subdued? How can we subdue this Israeli crusade for 'liebesraum'?
Okay, I *think* I understand where you're coming from, Brian. Let's not confuse outward impressions with the actual picture, particularly since deciphering the latter requires a bit of consideration for behind-the-scenes machinations.
First off, Zion(az)ism appropriates Judaism the same way Hitler appropriated socialism. In the outset, they claim to embody the ideals of Judaism, yet underneath that garb they selectively hijack and cherry-pick a few passages from the Hebrew Bible -- along with Talmudic "Jewish law," apparently -- to justify their syncretist Nazi ideology. Anyone who's read the Torah, prophets, and history in full -- mindful of the context -- would know that Jehovah's character and commands to the ancient Hebrews reflected the highest levels of justice and decency. Ultimately, God's mercy extended to His establishment of a New Covenant -- confirmed in the ministry of Jesus Christ -- because the Israelites continually broke the Mosaic one and God established a New to better accommodate/suit mankind given its gross imperfections.
Let me give you one example of how Zionazis distort the true character of the Torah -- they believe that ethnic "Jews" by ancestral lineage are unconditionally favored by God and given land by inheritance. First off, the equivocation of modern non-Judaism-adhering Zionists to the ancient Hebrews is farcically absurd. Second, even those ancient Hebrews didn't receive the land inheritance because God so much unconditionally favored them as a literalized nation.
The Fifth Book of Moses explains: "Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." (Deut. 9:5)
In the Torah, there was ONE standard for both the Hebrew and Gentile proselyte. "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: FOR THERE IS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS WITH GOD." (Rom. 2:8-11)
(side note: as you can see, I refer to earliest Israelites as "Hebrews" instead of "Jews" -- the term "Jew" means "Judahite"/"Judean" and is explicitly connected to the Kingdom of Judah after the schism between the northern Israel/Ephraim/Joseph and southern Judah/Benjamin)
Why do we have to care about religion and the fairytales in your foundational faith traditions? Who gave the God of Abraham the right to partial out real estate in that part of the globe? Why not some other God? Or group of gods? Why are you analyzing monotheistic religions who used their specific religion in place of government.
What. If. Nobody. Cares who you’re made up God is. It’s 2025, read the room. Nobody cares about your religious squabbles, governments are supposed to conform with international law. Israel fails every day.
Maybe that's what you choose to believe. I lack the time by now to bickering with you scoffers (cf. II Pet. 3:3-4; Jud. 17-19) over these theological issues.
"...the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Dan. 12:10)
"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." (Rev. 22:11)
The chiastic literary structure of the biblical books implicitly prove divine authorship because the complexity is far beyond the conjured imaginations of mortal human beings -- for example, Ezek. 1-10:
A1: 1:1–12: 1) Ezekiel witnesses the cherubims; 2) 4 faces, 4 wings, likeness of a man's hands; 3) likeness of the faces; 4) going straight forward
A2) 1:13–21: 1) wheels; 2) beryl color, wheel in wheel, 4 sides, eyes; 3) wheels following cherubims; 4) spirit of the living creature
A3) 1:22–28: 1) firmament; 2) throne; 3) glory of Jehovah; 4) voice of the Almighty God
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A3') 10:1–5: 1) firmament; 2) throne; 3) glory of Jehovah; 4) voice of the Almighty God
A2') 10:6–17: 1) wheels; 2) beryl color, wheel in wheel, 4 sides, eyes; 3) wheels following cherubims; 4) spirit of the living creature
A1') 10:18–22: 1) Ezekiel witnesses the cherubims; 2) 4 faces, 4 wings, likeness of a man's hands; 3) likeness of the faces; 4) going straight forward
I literally do not accept a religious faith tradition that trades in real estate. I don’t follow any Abraham faith. Nothing you can pull out of your Abraham faith tradition is going to convince me or anyone else.
Heather, did you read anything I wrote in this lengthy Stack itself proving the Mosaic Judaism of the Old Testament does not legitimately justify Zionism?
I don’t care about any of your Abraham religion. I’m not going to read anything about it. We live in the 21st-century under laws and rules. The fact that one God got to control things for a while, doesn’t work anymore. It’s not a found foundation for land, theft, and conquest.
Just a point I picked up from Yeshayahu Leibowitz. Jewish Halakha (Jewish Law) is directed towards a collective which wants to follow it. Around 250 years ago Jews, in a gradual process, started abandoning Jewish Law and are not interested in it (as a collective). So, from the standpoint of Halakha there is a question about the existence of a Jewish Collective and the applicability of its laws towards this (new) collective... Today there are **individuals** who are interested in Jewish Law but not a collective. Today the Jewish collective doesn't have a clear definition (as it used to have).
LOL -- complete fail on your end, you basementmongering Teutonic Bolshevist moral degenerate. If you understood anything about the Bible, you wouldn't have missed all the NT quotations of OT Torah and prophecy. The Torah laws are "written in the heart" of NT Christians (Jer. 31:31-34, Heb. 10:16-17), so you cannot have it both ways.
You are very obviously either a brainwashed retard or ADL-funded coadjutor. May as well get lost and slither back to the FBI-controlled Judeo-Telegram hegemony you came from, seeing your neo-Marcionite apparatus is uselessly futile here, buddy.
It doesn’t MATTER what we ARE, it matters what we DO.
Excellent article; appreciate the research very much. Thank you.
Amazingly glad and honored to hear you found the analysis of useful help, KMB!
Isn't 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth' in ruling controlled places central to Abramamic faiths? When an neighbor controls funding of a place's leadership and controls all border crossing, doesn't that neighbor control that place? With estimates of a kill ratio of ~180,000:1,400, Israelis have demonstrably left the Abrahamic traditions, as did early USA founders such as Turner, in leading massacre-ing the inhabitants of what was later named Turners Falls, in Montague, Massachusetts, USA. These are very old hypocracies shaping our world despite our efforts to extend civility - Very old patterns of inter-group relations, now with industrial weaponry. 61% of USAers, despite the pseudocultures media barrage, still oppose further USA arming of Israel.
When in human history have such dynamics been subdued? How can we subdue this Israeli crusade for 'liebesraum'?
Brian
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Okay, I *think* I understand where you're coming from, Brian. Let's not confuse outward impressions with the actual picture, particularly since deciphering the latter requires a bit of consideration for behind-the-scenes machinations.
First off, Zion(az)ism appropriates Judaism the same way Hitler appropriated socialism. In the outset, they claim to embody the ideals of Judaism, yet underneath that garb they selectively hijack and cherry-pick a few passages from the Hebrew Bible -- along with Talmudic "Jewish law," apparently -- to justify their syncretist Nazi ideology. Anyone who's read the Torah, prophets, and history in full -- mindful of the context -- would know that Jehovah's character and commands to the ancient Hebrews reflected the highest levels of justice and decency. Ultimately, God's mercy extended to His establishment of a New Covenant -- confirmed in the ministry of Jesus Christ -- because the Israelites continually broke the Mosaic one and God established a New to better accommodate/suit mankind given its gross imperfections.
Let me give you one example of how Zionazis distort the true character of the Torah -- they believe that ethnic "Jews" by ancestral lineage are unconditionally favored by God and given land by inheritance. First off, the equivocation of modern non-Judaism-adhering Zionists to the ancient Hebrews is farcically absurd. Second, even those ancient Hebrews didn't receive the land inheritance because God so much unconditionally favored them as a literalized nation.
The Fifth Book of Moses explains: "Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." (Deut. 9:5)
In the Torah, there was ONE standard for both the Hebrew and Gentile proselyte. "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: FOR THERE IS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS WITH GOD." (Rom. 2:8-11)
(side note: as you can see, I refer to earliest Israelites as "Hebrews" instead of "Jews" -- the term "Jew" means "Judahite"/"Judean" and is explicitly connected to the Kingdom of Judah after the schism between the northern Israel/Ephraim/Joseph and southern Judah/Benjamin)
Why do we have to care about religion and the fairytales in your foundational faith traditions? Who gave the God of Abraham the right to partial out real estate in that part of the globe? Why not some other God? Or group of gods? Why are you analyzing monotheistic religions who used their specific religion in place of government.
What. If. Nobody. Cares who you’re made up God is. It’s 2025, read the room. Nobody cares about your religious squabbles, governments are supposed to conform with international law. Israel fails every day.
> "Who gave the God of Abraham the right"
Cf. the 4th commandment.
> "Nobody cares about your religious squabbles"
Maybe that's what you choose to believe. I lack the time by now to bickering with you scoffers (cf. II Pet. 3:3-4; Jud. 17-19) over these theological issues.
"...the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Dan. 12:10)
"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." (Rev. 22:11)
So your source is the holy book written by your God and its followers. Got it.
The chiastic literary structure of the biblical books implicitly prove divine authorship because the complexity is far beyond the conjured imaginations of mortal human beings -- for example, Ezek. 1-10:
A1: 1:1–12: 1) Ezekiel witnesses the cherubims; 2) 4 faces, 4 wings, likeness of a man's hands; 3) likeness of the faces; 4) going straight forward
A2) 1:13–21: 1) wheels; 2) beryl color, wheel in wheel, 4 sides, eyes; 3) wheels following cherubims; 4) spirit of the living creature
A3) 1:22–28: 1) firmament; 2) throne; 3) glory of Jehovah; 4) voice of the Almighty God
...
A3') 10:1–5: 1) firmament; 2) throne; 3) glory of Jehovah; 4) voice of the Almighty God
A2') 10:6–17: 1) wheels; 2) beryl color, wheel in wheel, 4 sides, eyes; 3) wheels following cherubims; 4) spirit of the living creature
A1') 10:18–22: 1) Ezekiel witnesses the cherubims; 2) 4 faces, 4 wings, likeness of a man's hands; 3) likeness of the faces; 4) going straight forward
I literally do not accept a religious faith tradition that trades in real estate. I don’t follow any Abraham faith. Nothing you can pull out of your Abraham faith tradition is going to convince me or anyone else.
Heather, did you read anything I wrote in this lengthy Stack itself proving the Mosaic Judaism of the Old Testament does not legitimately justify Zionism?
I don’t care about any of your Abraham religion. I’m not going to read anything about it. We live in the 21st-century under laws and rules. The fact that one God got to control things for a while, doesn’t work anymore. It’s not a found foundation for land, theft, and conquest.
> "I’m not going to read anything about it"
Sorry to hear you are realityphobic.
Just a point I picked up from Yeshayahu Leibowitz. Jewish Halakha (Jewish Law) is directed towards a collective which wants to follow it. Around 250 years ago Jews, in a gradual process, started abandoning Jewish Law and are not interested in it (as a collective). So, from the standpoint of Halakha there is a question about the existence of a Jewish Collective and the applicability of its laws towards this (new) collective... Today there are **individuals** who are interested in Jewish Law but not a collective. Today the Jewish collective doesn't have a clear definition (as it used to have).
No,the Orthodox Jewish who actually follow the Torah are the real Jewish. Zionism is a political ideology who hijacked Judaism
Modern Jews are OT. Christians are NT. Incompatible.
LOL -- complete fail on your end, you basementmongering Teutonic Bolshevist moral degenerate. If you understood anything about the Bible, you wouldn't have missed all the NT quotations of OT Torah and prophecy. The Torah laws are "written in the heart" of NT Christians (Jer. 31:31-34, Heb. 10:16-17), so you cannot have it both ways.
You are very obviously either a brainwashed retard or ADL-funded coadjutor. May as well get lost and slither back to the FBI-controlled Judeo-Telegram hegemony you came from, seeing your neo-Marcionite apparatus is uselessly futile here, buddy.