I disagree. Every book of the Bible contains chiastic literary structures in some form of A-B-C-D-C'-B'-A' reflecting the shape of the 7-candlestick Temple menorah. If "mortal, fallible men" wrote the Bible from their own imagination, the chances that every book in the Bible would contain such a harmonious chiastic structure is statistically near-impossible.
Crikey you’re onto something alright . I suppose it may represent later very deliberate modifications of the works . This is almost certainly not primary writing material but a deliberate subsequent modification. It would interesting to see whether this all starts in a specific century and is developed from then on or represents an enclosed specific time period . Are all the bibles reproducing this chiastic pattern ? It is a literary device that has been used in the epic of Gilgamesh interestingly . History suggests it relatively recently been observed by bible Scholars from around the 18th C. A medieval device for literary construction ?
> "may represent later very deliberate modifications of the works"
Well, Bufo, even that isn't logically plausible: there are MULTIPLE layers of intricate beauty to the Hebrew and New Testament scriptures because pericopal chiasms also appear in snippet extracts overlaying within these "at-large" chiasms -- just head to the Chiasmus Exchange website. On top of that there are epanado patterns i.e. in Rev. 1 where the quotations of various Old Testament books fit ever-fascinating patterns.
IOWs, there is no chance any sinful human invented the Bible from their own imagination. By the time they finish the final draft after a few ten thousand revisions, the final product would be too late-dated and obliviously forged for anyone to take it seriously. Yet the Bible was written *before* the events it prophesied took place. For instance, the Dead Sea Scroll linguistics prove the Book of Daniel's Aramaic section reflects Medo-Persian attributes.
> "Are all the bibles reproducing this chiastic pattern"
As to everything *within* the standard Judeo-Protestant canon of the Bible a.k.a. the "66 books," almost definitely yes. For the OT apocrypha, I don't know; probably not of any consistent pattern.
Sorry, Aaron, the only reason you're in denial is because this topic is way out of your league and you have no idea what you're rambling about, friend. Here's a few chiastic diagrams I found:
Book of Daniel (double chiasm):
> Chiasm I:
A: 2:4b–49: vision of four kingdoms replaced by fifth
B: 3:1–4:3: decree, deliverance, king’s epistle
C: 4:4–33: judgment against the king of Babylon (partial)
D: 4:34–37: Nebuchadnezzar blesses the Most High
C': 5:1–31: judgment against the king of Babylon (final)
B': 6:1–28: decree, deliverance, king’s epistle
A': 7:1–28: vision of four kingdoms replaced by fifth
> Chiasm II:
A: 8:1–14: the ram and the goat
B: 8:15–27: Medo-Persia and Greece
C: 9:1–19: Daniel mourns
D: 9:20–27: final probation for Judea (70-week prophecy)
C': 10:1–3: Daniel mourns
B': 10:4–21: Medo-Persia and Greece
A': 11:1–12:4: kings of the north and south
Book of Revelation (single chiasm):
- A1) 1:1–6: 1) Jesus sends His angel (1:1–2); 2) words of the prophecy (1:3); 3) grace to the seven churches (1:4-6)
- A2) 1:7-9: 1) Second Coming (1:7); 2) He is Alpha and Omega (1:8); 3) testimony of Christ (1:9)
- A3) 1:10–20: John hears and sees
- B1) 2:1-7: tree of life
- B2) 22:8–29: 1) second death (2:8–11); 2) hidden manna and white stone (2:12-17); 3) morning star (2:18-29)
- B3) 3:1-22: 1) book of life (3:1-6); 2) New Jerusalem (3:7-13); 3) Christ's throne (3:14-22)
- C1) 4–6: 1) 4 beasts and 24 elders (5:11–14); 2) white horse (6:1–2); 3) red horse (6:3–4); 4) pair of balances (6:5-6); 5) the sword (6:7–8); 6) the Lord to avenge the saints (6:9–11); 7) kings, captains, mighty men, all men (6:12-17)
- C3) 10–11: 1) 42 months (11:1-6); 2) warring and killing the 2 witnesses (11:7-9); 3) dwellers of the earth (11:10) - D1) 12:1-2: the woman and her child
- D1) 12:1-2: the woman and her child
- D2) 12:3-6: 1,260 days
- D3) 12:7-9: the dragon cast onto the earth
- D4) 12:10-12: loud message of redemptive salvation
- D3′) 12:13: the dragon cast onto the earth
- D2') 12:14-16: time, times, and half a time
- D1') 12:17: the woman and her seed
- C3') 13: 1) 42 months (13:1–6); 2) warring and killing the saints (13:7); 3) dwellers of the earth (13:8)
- C1') 17-19: 1) 4 beasts and 24 elders (19:1-4); 2) white horse (19:11-12); 3) blood (19:13); 4) judgment execution (19:14); 5) the sword (19:15a); 6) the Lord avenges the saints (19:15b-16); 7) kings, captains, mighty men, all men (19:17-21)
- B3') 20:1-21:5: 1) book of life (20:1-15); 2) New Jerusalem (21:1-4); 3) Christ's throne (21:5)
- B2') 21:6-27: 1) second death (21:6-8); 2) eternal rewards (21:9-21); 3) the light of the world (21:22-27)
- B1') 22:1-5: tree of life
- A3') 22:6-11: John heard and saw
- A2') 22:12-15: 1) Second Coming (22:12); 2) He is Alpha and Omega (22:13); 3) testimony of Christ (22:14– 15)
- A1') 22:16–21: 1) Jesus sends His angel (22:16–17); 2) words of the prophecy (22:18-19); 3) grace to the seven churches (22:20-21)
Even IF it did, it's just the mere writings of mortal, fallible men.
I disagree. Every book of the Bible contains chiastic literary structures in some form of A-B-C-D-C'-B'-A' reflecting the shape of the 7-candlestick Temple menorah. If "mortal, fallible men" wrote the Bible from their own imagination, the chances that every book in the Bible would contain such a harmonious chiastic structure is statistically near-impossible.
You mean by this book’s of the Old Testament presumably
Both the Old and New Testaments, in fact; already for ~a dozen NT books I've managed to decode the chiastic harmony within.
There are many contradictions and paradoxes in the Bible
But it doesn't. It's a lie. The patterns do not exist for more than a few verses
"do not exist for more than a few verses" That is categorically untrue, Aaron. You can also examine the chiasm spanning Ezekiel ch. 1-10:
A1: 1:1–12: 1) Ezekiel witnesses the cherubims; 2) 4 faces, 4 wings, likeness of a man's hands; 3) likeness of the faces; 4) going straight forward
A2) 1:13–21: 1) wheels; 2) beryl color, wheel in wheel, 4 sides, eyes; 3) wheels following cherubims; 4) spirit of the living creature
A3) 1:22–28: 1) firmament; 2) throne; 3) glory of Jehovah; 4) voice of the Almighty God
...
A3') 10:1–5: 1) firmament; 2) throne; 3) glory of Jehovah; 4) voice of the Almighty God
A2') 10:6–17: 1) wheels; 2) beryl color, wheel in wheel, 4 sides, eyes; 3) wheels following cherubims; 4) spirit of the living creature
A1') 10:18–22: 1) Ezekiel witnesses the cherubims; 2) 4 faces, 4 wings, likeness of a man's hands; 3) likeness of the faces; 4) going straight forward
Men could write those. Either way, much or all of the Old Testament / Torah is NOT Divinely Inspired, or GOD IS EVIL!
Here's I Peter:
A1) 1:1–2: a) Peter’s greetings; b) obey Jesus Christ; c) peace
A2) 1:3–5: blessed be the God of our Lord Jesus Christ
A3) 1:6–25: a) trial; b) joy; c) grace unto you; d) the gospel; e) “wherefore…”; f) holiness unto hope in God; g) exhortation
B1) 2:1–5: put aside contempt
B2) 2:6–8: prophecy of Jesus Christ
B3) 2:9–10: time past
C) 2:11–25: a) evildoers; b) submission; c) “for…”; d) suffering; e) suffering for welldoing; f) Christ’s suffering; g) returning
D1) 3:1a: subjection of wives to husbands
D2) 3:1b–2: chastity of wives
D3) 3:3: adornment
D4) 3:4: godliness—incorruptibly meek and quiet spirit
D3') 3:5: adornment
D2') 3:6: Sarah’s submission to Abraham
D1') 3:7: husbands honoring their wives
C') 3:8–22: a) evil; b) do good; c) “for…”; d) suffering; e) suffering for welldoing; f) Christ’s suffering for us; g) baptism
B3') 4:1–5: time past
B2') 4:6: the gospel message
B1') 4:7–11: set aside grudging
A3') 4:12–5:9: a) trial; b) joy; c) spirit of glory unto you; d) the gospel; e) “wherefore…”; f) selflessness unto a crown; g) exhortation
A2') 5:10–11: glorify and dominion to the God of all grace
A1') 5:12–14: Peter’s writing; b) stand in God’s grace; c) peace
Crikey you’re onto something alright . I suppose it may represent later very deliberate modifications of the works . This is almost certainly not primary writing material but a deliberate subsequent modification. It would interesting to see whether this all starts in a specific century and is developed from then on or represents an enclosed specific time period . Are all the bibles reproducing this chiastic pattern ? It is a literary device that has been used in the epic of Gilgamesh interestingly . History suggests it relatively recently been observed by bible Scholars from around the 18th C. A medieval device for literary construction ?
> "may represent later very deliberate modifications of the works"
Well, Bufo, even that isn't logically plausible: there are MULTIPLE layers of intricate beauty to the Hebrew and New Testament scriptures because pericopal chiasms also appear in snippet extracts overlaying within these "at-large" chiasms -- just head to the Chiasmus Exchange website. On top of that there are epanado patterns i.e. in Rev. 1 where the quotations of various Old Testament books fit ever-fascinating patterns.
IOWs, there is no chance any sinful human invented the Bible from their own imagination. By the time they finish the final draft after a few ten thousand revisions, the final product would be too late-dated and obliviously forged for anyone to take it seriously. Yet the Bible was written *before* the events it prophesied took place. For instance, the Dead Sea Scroll linguistics prove the Book of Daniel's Aramaic section reflects Medo-Persian attributes.
> "Are all the bibles reproducing this chiastic pattern"
As to everything *within* the standard Judeo-Protestant canon of the Bible a.k.a. the "66 books," almost definitely yes. For the OT apocrypha, I don't know; probably not of any consistent pattern.
Sorry, Aaron, the only reason you're in denial is because this topic is way out of your league and you have no idea what you're rambling about, friend. Here's a few chiastic diagrams I found:
Book of Daniel (double chiasm):
> Chiasm I:
A: 2:4b–49: vision of four kingdoms replaced by fifth
B: 3:1–4:3: decree, deliverance, king’s epistle
C: 4:4–33: judgment against the king of Babylon (partial)
D: 4:34–37: Nebuchadnezzar blesses the Most High
C': 5:1–31: judgment against the king of Babylon (final)
B': 6:1–28: decree, deliverance, king’s epistle
A': 7:1–28: vision of four kingdoms replaced by fifth
> Chiasm II:
A: 8:1–14: the ram and the goat
B: 8:15–27: Medo-Persia and Greece
C: 9:1–19: Daniel mourns
D: 9:20–27: final probation for Judea (70-week prophecy)
C': 10:1–3: Daniel mourns
B': 10:4–21: Medo-Persia and Greece
A': 11:1–12:4: kings of the north and south
Book of Revelation (single chiasm):
- A1) 1:1–6: 1) Jesus sends His angel (1:1–2); 2) words of the prophecy (1:3); 3) grace to the seven churches (1:4-6)
- A2) 1:7-9: 1) Second Coming (1:7); 2) He is Alpha and Omega (1:8); 3) testimony of Christ (1:9)
- A3) 1:10–20: John hears and sees
- B1) 2:1-7: tree of life
- B2) 22:8–29: 1) second death (2:8–11); 2) hidden manna and white stone (2:12-17); 3) morning star (2:18-29)
- B3) 3:1-22: 1) book of life (3:1-6); 2) New Jerusalem (3:7-13); 3) Christ's throne (3:14-22)
- C1) 4–6: 1) 4 beasts and 24 elders (5:11–14); 2) white horse (6:1–2); 3) red horse (6:3–4); 4) pair of balances (6:5-6); 5) the sword (6:7–8); 6) the Lord to avenge the saints (6:9–11); 7) kings, captains, mighty men, all men (6:12-17)
- C2) 7–9: 1) 144,000 (7:1-8); 2) 7 angels (8:2); 3) prepa- ration (8:6); 4) earth (8:7); 5) sea (8:8–9); 6) rivers and fountains (8:10-11); 7) sun (8:12); 8) darkness (9:1–11); 9) Euphrates (9:13–21)
- C3) 10–11: 1) 42 months (11:1-6); 2) warring and killing the 2 witnesses (11:7-9); 3) dwellers of the earth (11:10) - D1) 12:1-2: the woman and her child
- D1) 12:1-2: the woman and her child
- D2) 12:3-6: 1,260 days
- D3) 12:7-9: the dragon cast onto the earth
- D4) 12:10-12: loud message of redemptive salvation
- D3′) 12:13: the dragon cast onto the earth
- D2') 12:14-16: time, times, and half a time
- D1') 12:17: the woman and her seed
- C3') 13: 1) 42 months (13:1–6); 2) warring and killing the saints (13:7); 3) dwellers of the earth (13:8)
- C2') 14-16: 1) 144,000 (14:1–5); 2) 7 angels (15:1); 3) preparation (16:1); 4) earth (16:2); 5) sea (16:3); 6) rivers and fountains (16:4–7); 7) sun (16:8-9); 8) darkness (16:10-11); 9) Euphrates (16:12-16)
- C1') 17-19: 1) 4 beasts and 24 elders (19:1-4); 2) white horse (19:11-12); 3) blood (19:13); 4) judgment execution (19:14); 5) the sword (19:15a); 6) the Lord avenges the saints (19:15b-16); 7) kings, captains, mighty men, all men (19:17-21)
- B3') 20:1-21:5: 1) book of life (20:1-15); 2) New Jerusalem (21:1-4); 3) Christ's throne (21:5)
- B2') 21:6-27: 1) second death (21:6-8); 2) eternal rewards (21:9-21); 3) the light of the world (21:22-27)
- B1') 22:1-5: tree of life
- A3') 22:6-11: John heard and saw
- A2') 22:12-15: 1) Second Coming (22:12); 2) He is Alpha and Omega (22:13); 3) testimony of Christ (22:14– 15)
- A1') 22:16–21: 1) Jesus sends His angel (22:16–17); 2) words of the prophecy (22:18-19); 3) grace to the seven churches (22:20-21)
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